New York City Versus Toronto

March 9, 2009 | Reviews

Steve Martin recently said on a guest appearance on 30 Rock, “You can move to Canada with me. Toronto is like New York, but without all the STUFF”.

Lest you get the impression we watch 30 Rock, we don’t. Why? You can find less mugging for the camera when the Channel 6 weatherman visits an elementary school. 30 Rock is like Ally McBeal without the anorexia. What it has is the opposite: the increasingly hefty Alec Baldwin, easily the most talented Baldwin when it comes to eating your way out of the movie business. Tracy ‘what’s happ’n, chief?’ Morgan is about as funny as a cataract, but is occasionally funny because he inexplicably speaks in 90s Ebonics (we are not sure if this is intentional). It’s also got a guy with weird hair and a hat, who should be funny and Stephen Wright but isn’t and isn’t.

Steve Martin got us thinking…

1. What’s a genuinely funny guy like that doing on a crummy show like 30 Rock? (which we initially thought was 3rd Rock, a possible but unlikely spin-off for John Lithgow) and…

2. Maybe there is something to this Toronto pot-shot.

To change things up a little after our killer chimp horror movie list and our 10 Unique Implements That Have Killed People in Horror Movies, we thought we’d do the following little run down for you: NYC VS Toronto, The Big Apple VS The Big Smoke, Gotham VS Hog Town…you get the idea.

Balcony view, Shark Guy #2. Just in case you'd be interested in throwing him off it.

New York Versus Toronto:

In New York, people build on vacant lots. In Toronto, the vacant lot becomes a focal point of much discussion.

New York attracts the best and brightest across the nation. Toronto attracts the best and brightest from across the  nation who then go to New York.

In New York, a successful writer gets by with a small apartment. In Toronto, a successful writer teaches on the side.

In New York, a successful young novelist is 31 and single. In Toronto, a successful young novelist is 48, divorced, with two kids.

In New York, there is cut-throat dog-eat-dog competition. In Toronto, there is as well, but a dog-eat-dog municipal leash bylaw is strongly enforced.

New York is the city that never sleeps. Toronto had a 1AM last call in the 90s. (this was fortuitously extended when The Shark Guys achieved the legal age of 19, almost as if we had friends at city hall)

In New York, when a new subway line is needed, it’s built. In Toronto, it’s treated like a vacant lot.

New York has a slogan and t-shirts are hawked with this slogan. In Toronto, there are numerous slogans, none of which stick and certainly not to a T-shirt.

New York has a ferry that offers a spectacular view of the skyline. Toronto has a ferry that offers a spectacular view of the skyline and costs $5.

New Yorkers think their city is great. Torontonians think their city could be world class.

Everyone outside of New York hates it, but flocks to it. Everyone outside of Toronto hates it.

Many movies and TV shows are filmed in New York. Many movies and TV shows are filmed in Toronto, and passed off as New York.

In New York, a month is required to get a sense of the city. In Toronto, a long weekend will suffice if you hustle.

New Yorkers are gruff and unfriendly, until you interact with them and find out this is often not the case. Torontonians are gruff and unfriendly, until you interact with them and…(fill this in if you live elsewhere in Canada)

When abroad, Torontonians are treated like Americans until this is corrected and then they’re treated as Canadians. New Yorkers are treated like New Yorkers.

There is a huge Italian population in New York. There is a huge Italian population in Toronto, yet finding good pizza is difficult, a decent baked ziti next to impossible.

In New York, if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. In Toronto, if you can make it there, you try LA or New York.

New York sets trends, Toronto takes these trends and disseminates them throughout Canada (unless it’s music, where we set trends and await New York’s validation).

New York is unlike any other place on earth. Toronto is a much larger, more diverse, Northeastern version of Seattle with a better tower.

New York has Times Square. Toronto has Yonge Dundas Square, which is often compared to Times Square.

New York has a spectacular park enjoyed by everyone. Toronto has a spectacular park enjoyed by people who live near it.

New York has a spectacular bridge that is celebrated on film. Toronto has a spectacular bridge that people frequently jumped off until suicide barriers were erected.

New York has a massive Chinese population and incredible Chinese cuisine. Toronto has a massive Chinese population and incredible Chinese cuisine, out in the suburbs.

In New York there are happy hours and you can buy beer around the clock in a corner store. In Toronto, there are no happy hours and you buy your beer from a government monopoly. During a recent World Cup, local businesses petitioned the city to extend bar hours for the week of the tournament, to accommodate the games’ time difference so locals could enjoy the biggest sporting event in the world—it was turned down.

In New York, there are more than 100 ethnic groups, nearly half the population is foreign-born and there is food from all over the world. In Toronto, there are more than 100 ethnic groups, nearly half the population is foreign-born and there is food from all over the world, but on Mondays, a surprising number of restaurants are closed.

In New York, the subway runs all night. In Toronto, the subway starts running at 6AM (9AM on Sunday)

On the Waterfront, Rear Window, The French Connection, The Godfather, Network, Annie Hall, just to name a few, were set in New York. Both of us at one point lived in Toronto and can’t think of one film actually set here off the top of our heads.

[Editor's note: We've spent considerable amounts of time in both cities. If you'd like to pit one city against another, preferably ones we've never set foot in---we'd appreciate the challenge--- please email us at admin@thesharkguys.com and we'll do our best to accommodate]

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  1. As you, I too have spent “considerable amounts of time in both cities” both school, working and networking.

    I’m SO f**king glad someone finally wrote about how cold and rude Torontotonians are.

    “New Yorkers are gruff and unfriendly, until you interact with them and find out this is often not the case. Torontonians are gruff and unfriendly, until you interact with them and…(fill this in if you live elsewhere in Canada)”

    It’s true. So f**king true…

    Loved the article. So many items are on point!

    Nice bit Sharkboyz

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    • you must be from Ottawa cause you suck

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  2. [...] Those keeping notes on the New York–Toronto comparison may be disturbed by news of the most recent commonality: rats. Five businesses in Kensington Market [...]

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  3. I live in New York, but have also lived in Toronto and hope to one day move back there. I hear good and bad things about both cities, but have always thought that it’s ridiculous to compare them.

    For starters, Toronto is a city in a country called CANADA. New York City is a city in the country called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Although the countries are close, they have different customs, traditions, culture, politics, etc etc etc….

    Although it gave me a good laugh, I don’t know where you got the parking lot comments from. The last time I was in Toronto new high rises were being built all over the place and rents were ridiculously high. But you’re right, it sure isn’t New York City! That’s because it’s Toronto – a different city in a different country.

    Another one that caught my eye is the Dundas Square point. It does often get compared to Times Square. So does Picadilly Square in London, and Shibuya in Tokyo. hmmm

    I liked the article! But no matter how much people bash Toronto for not being New York City, I still choose it over NYC. New york is an incredible place, and there’s no where in the world like it. It makes it pretty easy to bash pretty much everywhere that isn’t New York!

    And you forgot one thing…
    Ganja lovers? Forget NYC and it’s ridiculous laws and prosecution for smoking a joint. Toronto has some of the best in the world…
    ’nuff said

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    • You make an incredible point man! loved your comment :)
      Both cities are great, and incredibly different.
      They should only be compared in greatness.

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    • Dont even waste your time, I am pretty sure its another fucked up American trying to make others feel bad!

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  4. “For starters, Toronto is a city in a country called CANADA. New York City is a city in the country called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Although the countries are close, they have different customs, traditions, culture, politics, etc etc etc….”

    By that line of reasoning, our Toronto and Bangkok comparison was really out of order:

    http://www.thesharkguys.com/2009/03/25/11-ways-bangkok-and-toronto-are-different/

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  5. New York isn’t the capital of New York state. The irony…*sobs* (but thankfully the state capital of New Jersey was shifted into the CSA)

    Toronto does have a large chinese population in the downtown core.

    Anyways, Toronto would be a much better city if it had a 24-hour nightlife. Unfortunately, Toronto barely has anything to do past 3AM from what I’ve heard. Toronto, as a fact, is cleaner than New York and more ETHNICALLY diverse (not RACIALLY). And I do agree that Torontonians are not as friendly as everyone there says they are. And yes, I do live in Toronto.

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    • Who cares how mixed it is. It’s mostly White (obv.) and Easter Asian, move on.

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  6. Toronto is an absolute rubbish bin. A bastion for the anal retentive. A pretentious prison. A prissy whore. Despite the “diversity” it’s still very much a WASP city. Cold, unfriendly, uninspiring…should I go on. As soon as the opportunity presents i will leave this frosty metropolis for a place where I can acutally make a friend or two.

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    • Do you LIVE in Toronto? If the answer is yes, you should go and experience Toronto, properly. Cos Im not sure which city you live in!

      I LOVE Toronto….and I LOVE New York. Every city has its problems, as do NY and T Dot. But in spite of all those problems, if I had the choice I would only live in This city. I simply love it.

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    • Let me know when you choose to split, I’ll go with you… It will give you an opportunity to make a new friend before you get there. :)

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  7. ’30 Rock’ rules! You don’t know what you’re talking about Sharkguys.
    Go back to watching ‘King of Queens’…

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  8. That’s a bit unfair on Toronto. The fact that it even compares to NY is testimony to what the city has achieved in terms of world class recognition. In my eyes, Toronto is a less hardcore, less roughly-edged cultural hub that has many merits beyond what NY could offer. Likewise, NY has many merits beyond what Toronto could offer. I personally prefer to live in Toronto because it’s smaller, easy to get around everywhere in downtown on foot, cheap to rent a nice condo and has the same things to offer but on a smaller, less hectic scale. And I’m actually from London and prefer Toronto to there, with the exception of the history. As for implying Canadians being America’s weaker counterpart, in my opinion Canadians replace America’s trademark arrogance with relaxed humbleness.

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  9. I’ve lived in and around TO all my life (unfortunately), and man did you ever hit the nail on the head!! Excellent article, and a good laugh

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  10. You forgot a key point…

    In New York, young middle-class people have to live in apartments the size of closets, or move to the suburbs. In Toronto, they can live downtown, at reasonable prices.

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  11. Toronto will never be a New York. New York will never be a Toronto. And we like it that way.

    I moved to Toronto as a teenager, and it’s been a love affair ever since. Do you want to know why everyone thinks Toronto is filled with cold, rude people? Because people come here with that attitude. I’m friendly, I help people find their way around all the time, and I think this is a wonderful and vibrant city full of great people.

    Of course we’re going to get offended and turn a cold shoulder when all the rest of the world does is bash us; this is our HOME. We live here and most of us love it. Try walking around NYC talking about how loud and noisy and terrible you think it is; you’re going get a lot of pretty angry New Yorkers up in your face. Because it’s home, where they live, work, play, raise families. What right do you have to spit all over that?

    Think of it on a smaller scale: You tell everyone about how much you absolutey HATE your neighbour’s house. You go there from time to time to borrow something or visit… but you hate their house. And oh, how cold and rude they are and it gets worse each time! Well, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: you say they’re cold and unfriendly and so they treat you that way. Why wouldn’t they? You don’t bother taking the higher ground, so why should they?

    Millions of people have come to this city from across Canada and the rest of the world. Everyday we manage to get by speaking different languages and with different cultural mindsets. It is busy and pulsating and unique. We make it work – so go ahead and hate us, we have better things to do than worry about the childish opinions of haters from abroad. This city can be a warm and welcoming place if you have the decency to come here with an open mind and see it for what it is; come see us for who we are and you won’t be disappointed.

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  12. Toronto will never ever ever be New York, and that’s coming from a Torontonian. Our city is waaaay cleaner, people are more friendly (in my opinion) and we are more ethnically diverse. NY is too damn loud, noisy, disgustingly dirty (have you ever been in the SUBWAYS!) and much more. NY is NY, and T.O is T.O…lets keep it that way and not make a comparison between the two because we will get offended. And yes I have been to NY, and didn’t care for it much. Though there were some nice places, and nice people I have met, it’s just not my cup of tea.

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    • I’ve lived in both cities for at least 2 years in each. Here are my personal opinions:
      -Toronto is cleaner, safer, less racist, way better healthcare, better education system, fewer jobs (but less competition as well), more affordable.
      -I can’t see myself having and raising my (future) children in NYC and I will certainly choose to move back to Canada when it’s time for me to settle down and have a family.

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  13. You forgot to mention that Toronto has far superior pubs (as opposed to NY bars), a far more interesting history and that Torontonians actually show some style when going out on the town, as opposed to New Yorkers who arttend theatre wearing jeans, runners and sweatshirts.

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    • uh huh…I guess that’s why New York is a fashion capital of the world where a huge number of designers and trendsetters attend world class galas every night in clothes you can’t even find in Toronto.

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      • NYC is most definitely one of four fashion capitals of the world…Toronto also happens to be a fashion capital of North America and there’s NO article of clothing you can buy in NYC that you won’t be able to get in Toronto

  14. Strip clubs in Toronto are infinitely better than anything that you’ll see in NYC. I mean, girls in New York don’t even take their knickers off!

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    • sin city next time your in NY… and I bet you will be seeing more than just taking “knickers” off. For the record I do enjoy T dot. I plan on moving there soon.

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      • Scratch off Sin City for now. Ever since the new owners came in, the club has cleaned up immeasurably.
        Now half of the girls even wear multi colored pasties. Local politicians don’t like Sin City being in their district, so new management has to keep it clean. Why do the politicos hate Sin City so much? Because the old Russian owners were busted by the FBI for running a house of prostitution with imported Russian girls.
        Those were the days……
        How do I know this? I used to work there as a bouncer. BTW,..Not a great job unless you like being called a “n*gger” every night by drunk white stock brokers, and being punched by drunk cops-(yes……really).

  15. Toronto is WAYYYYYYYYY better than New York and we have the CN Tower! We have hotter women and our city is 1000000000x cleaner. The night life here is awesome cause all the condos have a vibrant, futuristic feel. We drink wine and have cheese while we listen to smooth music looking through the window to see the CN Tower. talking an enjoying life to the fullest. Our women are curvy and actually wear tight clothing cause they aren’t clogged up with fat. TORONTO>NEW YORK. Nothing can be compared between the two. I’ve been to both cities and Toronto takes the cake. Up yours if you disagree.

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  16. I heart Toronto.

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  17. I know more than one place to buy pot over the counter in Toronto, from a retail store, that the police likely know about but tolerate. They are easy to find on the internet.

    End of comparison.

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  18. Toronto keeps on going on about how diverse it is, etc,
    NY is just as diverse, In my view way more diverse, Toronto loves to make claims to stuff all the time… (The United Nations claim for Toronto being the most diverse city was a hoax! google it)
    Also many city in the world are now diverse, NY, SF, LA, London, Paris, to mention a few.
    Yes, Toronto is the most unfriendly pretentious place I’ve lived,
    (you know how many elevators I’ve shared with idiots wearing sunglasses, at 10.30pm?)
    I’ve lived in SF, NY, London, Paris and Chicago,
    sorry Toronto you are the most COLD! Hollywood wannabes!

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    • Yes! F*ck those people who wear glasses to hide themselves.

      I’m from Toronto and I approve this message.

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  19. New York is an alpha city along with London, Paris and Tokyo. How can you compare it to a place like Toronto? I could see Toronto vs Boston or maybe even Chicago, but New York? New York is the capital of the world, Toronto doesn’t come remotely close in any aspect worth comparing.

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  20. This is fantastic. I love it’s honesty. One mistake the world-cup LLBO extension was granted for the event, just barely in time for anyone to find out.

    PS. Ironic: My anti-spam word was my name.

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  21. Well, let’s not forget New York City has over 6 million more people than Toronto.

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  22. I think the most accurate way to describe Torontonians is self-absorbed. First, I must say that I was born and raised in Toronto, and I haven’t traveled a lot, other than some places in Europe. It wasn’t until I reached adulthood that I’ve grown to notice how Torontonians seem to see the world through their own unique lens. This lens tends to exaggerate their own existence as if it is of the utmost importance. Thus they will go out of their way to justify in their own minds (since this is the only important metric), how utterly selfless and giving they really are, often coming up with contrived social means to achieve this (like being an “activist” or a “Toronto lover”). I think the problem stems from big cities in general and the idea that we from birth no longer grow alongside and are raised by/with our communities, but are coddled by a small nuclear family that treats the family members as more important than outsiders. It is interesting that this parallels in some sense the introverted mating habits of the European elitist nobility of the past, and one can easily then note the ego-centric personality similarities.

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  23. toronto and new york really should not be compared, they have totally different vibes. You make toronto sound pretty bad, i’ve lived in toronto my whole life, and absolutely love it. the only thing i don’t love about toronto is the high price of living, and that they suck at clearing snow off the street in the winter. Other than that, toronto is a truely fantastic city.

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  24. In Toronto, you get universal health care. In New York, you’re too poor to afford it.

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  25. Uh, shut up. Toronto is a world class city and right now, is North America’s leading economy, not New York City. Want to know why? Because you idiots in NY don’t know how to spend your money and you’re so effing ignorant, haha.

    Toronto pretty much takes every other single world class city.

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  26. Fuck this shit. I disagree new york is much
    more expensive and doesnt pay as good as toronto. New york people are assholes and torontonians are the shit. Most friendly people i ever met. The best pizza i had has been in toronto and i live outside both and i love toronto hate new york. Toronto is clean new york is dirty, toronto has low crime (dont believe me? Check online wikipedia) new york has high crime. Toronto people only work one job in new york everyone works two jobs. Toronto has plenty of space for people to walk. In new york walking can be as slow with all the crowd in the side walk. Sorry to who ever wrote this but seems like a person whonis trying to stand up for new york after knowing the toronto is beutiful and great and a big posibility that many people will enjoy it more. I also necer seen someone who hates toronto who is outside of it. Abd i seen lot of peoole who hate nyc. I got nothing against nyc but i dont think is great. Toronto gas a lot to do as well abd if you search online the greatest cities in the world torobto is number 14 new york is number 40. Sorry i desagree toronto is the shit and my dream city

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    • haha I have been living in T. Dot my whole life and we actually pretty mean but since we live in Canada we are still considered much nice than Americans!!! sorry that’s just a fact

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  27. Love toronto

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  28. I dont know why everyone wants to compare these two cities all the time. And in all honesty, I much prefer Toronto over New York. I’ve been to both cities and I find Torontonians a lot classier (better fashion sense, quieter and more dignified), Toronto’s restaurants are much better than NYC and, absolutely NO ONE can deny this, Toronto’s pubs kick the living snot out of New York bars, which offer absolutely no atmosphere unless you want to watch the Yankees game on the big-screen TV.

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    • Yes that is so very true. I still really want to go the NYC but never to live there

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    • Comments like these make me wonder if you explored more than 3 blocks from the nearest Tour Bus route. Next time, do yourself a favor and find a real New Yorker to show you a few things outside of Times Square.

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  29. I’m no fan of Toronto, but this article is comparing it to Manhattan. If you have the money great, but that 31 year old single novelist may be surprised with the lifestyle he could afford in T.O. as opposed to Manhattan.

    I’ve spent time in both cities, and I can tell you the outer boroughs are, for the most part, disgusting. Much, much worse than what you would consider the “bad” parts of Toronto.

    Toronto has huge potential and much to learn from New York. Massively expanding the subway system and opening the bars until 4am would be a great start. Canada has great cities, but it needs its version of NYC, and Toronto could do better.

    Now however, it just doesn’t compare to Manhattan, and I myself am moving to a 1br apartment in Chelsea this February.

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  30. Both Toronto and New York are amazing English speaking cities in the West. This article was a cut-up of Toronto that was not entirely accurate. I will now try to protect the baby that is T.O. I do realise that Toronto haters will not appreciate my stance, but do hear it out.

    On a global scale, everyone accepts the fact that Canadians are friendlier than Americans. When it comes to our two major cities we know that New York is the center of tourism, and Toronto is not even a close second. A great many people visit Toronto on their way to New York city, Buffalo, Jersey city, or even Philadelphia. We can postulate that tourists of Toronto are not getting the full Toronto experience. If any North American person reading this has had a 3 day stop in any European city before going to their destination, they will know what I mean.

    Having been born in Northern Ontario and having stayed in New York city several times (having friends and distant relatives who live there) and currently living in Toronto, I can tell you that both are full of relatively cold people: The main difference being Torontonians’ kindness and generosity if you seek it. The world understands why New Yorkers are the way they are (speaking generally), and they much prefer partying there, but Toronto is a great/safe place to visit.

    I’m still not even sure why I am comparing the two cities, but I know I’d rather live in a place where you can work a regular job and have your own one-bedroom apartment.

    Show me a person working 9-5 as an entry level accountant in New York city, and I’ll show you someone living in a shared one bedroom.

    Show me a person working 9-5 as a secretary in Toronto, and I’ll show you someone living in a shared house with a parking spot.

    Safety over glamour.

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  31. I actually live in New York but have visited Toronto many times. In fact, Toronto is far and away the better city. They are very similar, but Toronto is cleaner and more friendly than New York. Here, you get into fights with people on the street but in Toronto when you bump into someone they apologize even if it is your fault.

    And statistically, Toronto has more high rise construction than any other city in the world right now, including New York. When I visited this past summer, I was hard pressed to find vacant lots and there were way fewer dilapidated buildings than here in NY and less sketchy areas like Hells Kitchen, Harlem, etc.

    No, this article is pretty much all wrong and I say this as a New Yorker.

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  32. per capita, i would say Toronto has way more going on than Nyc. And Toronto doesnt have that insecurity and hang up about having to label everything as “Toronto Style”. Really??? New York style pizza?? its greasier and has less crust, it has no style and is quite disgusting really. its Pizza mutated into american fast food.. i think i will stick to real ITALIAN pizza. New York is hype, hype loses every time. same goes for chicago, san fran is the only american city worth its weight.

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  33. While what you say about New York and Toronto is both true and biting, you flatter your big, fat Yankee butts in calling it “comedy”.

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  34. …oh because nobody has ever jumped off of the Brooklyn Bridge?

    If the author thinks that this post is remotely accurate or comedic, he shouldn’t consider following suit.

    -Unfriendly Torontonian, only because you felt like shitting on my city

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  35. lol should*

    Sorry I’m high. It’s neat that I won’t go to jail over it too, eh?

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  36. new york is snob for its size, toronto is snob cuz it can be.
    ill take quality over quantity anyday
    new york being the quantity.

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    • I completely agree by the way!

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  37. new york is the best city in the world. toronto doesnt even come close. new york is way busier bigger. you cannot compare the two cities only compares to chicago although chicago is still bigger than the t dot

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  38. new york is the best more interesting than toronto. toronto is just an okay city.

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  39. toronto is a phoney city i even found new yorkers to be more friendly. toronto is full of itself. thinks no where else is better. lol

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  40. new york hands down

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  41. FUCK you i just went to newyork for the weekend, SOO DIRTY WORSE PLACES TO LIVE STFU AND NEVER blOG AGAin

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  42. It is not fair to compare the two cities because Toronto is in Canada and New York in the US. They are very different for example: Canada is more friendly to Israel and is more stable. You know Canadians had hardly a recession that the States did. So a more stable place to live would be Toronto (the central for pretty much everything in Canada). A better place to visit for a vacation would be NYC. Also Toronto has much less crime than NYC just saying…….and u can’t base a place for the friendliness of their people everybody is different.

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  43. Ok i am Italian living in Toronto and there is amazing pizza if you know how to find it! When I went to New York the italian food was terrible. I hate to admit it but the US is just wrapped up in their own little bubble. THe italian food there is not real authentic italian food but US italian food. When you compare Italy’s italian food to Canada’s italian food and US italian food it is much closer to T. Dot.

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  44. look their 2 different citys from different countries they shouldnt be compared, not all people that live in N.Y are rude same with T.O both citys are very different. only stereotype people would say those things or compare these citys to eachother in such rude ways.you forgot to mention the nice things about toronto like its really clean and theirs not alot of homeless people there when i go downtown toronto i only see about 3 homeless people.in toronto we dont keep our place nasty thats why we dont need to keep rebuilding.

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  45. testing

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  46. Ok I’ve read almost all the comments and it’s really infantile, to say “oh New York is better” “nooooo Toronto is better” and so forth. Both cities have pros and cons! I visited NY and was raised in Toronto all of my life. I felt completely at home in NY! To me, it’s a typical North American city, as is Toronto, or Chicago ecc. Each have their own brand of uniqueness! But to say that Toronto has ugly buildings is unintelligent. It boasts some the most Victorian Gothic Revival Buildings in NA! St. Michael’s, Catherdral and Metropolitan United Catherdral being the most elaborate examples! Take a walk along King or Queen east or west of Yonge, and you’ll see intericate brickwork, carvings, and turrets, all typical of the turn of the century. The one thing that makes me extremely proud to be from Toronto, is how immaculate we keep our city. I don’t agree it’s dirty at all. There are constant restorations on Historical Building, constant road construction and closures to repair potholes or create new lanes! It is an incredibily well run city that is proactive. When I visited the Brooklyn Bridge as a Torontonian, is was weird to see the wrought iron fence was not and had not been painted in years!! In Toronto, it would look brand spanking new! You have to look at this way, relatively speaking, New York is the major american city of a country of over 300,000,000 people. Toronto,is the the major Canadian city in a country of over 35,000,000 people. Toronto has the Distillary District, Cabbagetown, The Annex, The Beaches, Leaside, North York, The Danforth, Little Italy, ChinaTown, just as New York has Tribeca, Soho, The Lower East Side, ecc. Can you compare them? Of course. We have the Toronto Stock Exchange, they have the NY Stock Exchange, we have all 5 major banks headoffices here, and NY is headquarters for all the major American Banks. NY has Wall Street, Toronto has Bay Street! Toronto is home to the prestgious National Ballet of Canada, NY has the NY City Ballet, Toronto boasts the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, Te Canadian Opera company and some of the best theatre in North America! To belittle Toronto is to not know the city well. And the restaurants and shopping? It’s world class. Toronto is a great city and was ranked 4th best city to live in, in 2011. New York was not on the list. Don’t get me wrong, I love New York but it’s alot of hype! Alot! In the end, The twin towers were ugly as sin, the Trump Tower is nothing to look at, and some areas as as ugly as they can get in any big city. Can you compare the two cities? Of course, they are not so different. This is north america! Compare it to Paris or Rome! That would be a real comparison since they are COMPLETELY different in every way. All north american cities have a modern flair and that’s ok! We need to embrace what all north american cities have to offer!!! They all have semblances of sameness because they are all relatively new compared to the rest of the world! That said, Toronto is a city that is proud and rightly so! She lacks for nothing!

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  47. Also, if Toronto was constantly being used as a back drop for movies and everyone constantly saw The Royal York Hotel or the CN Tower, or the New City Hall, everyone would want to visit them and take pictures there! New York gets so much free advertising in american movies! People acutally buy all the hype! I mean if you think about it, what is so pretty about all those skyscapers!? It’s a concrete jungle! And yet people eat it all up!! They want to visit all those places in New York City glorified in American film. People need to know they are being brainwashed into believing that New York is the centre of the universe! So tyical of Americans though isn’t it!? We don’t need to shout so loud in Canada! We are a country that is revered all over the world. America is not! Think Americans’, think!!!

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  48. ???

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  49. At least in Toronto the bankers dont give mortgages and loans to every Tom, Dick & Harry ( subprime segment ) and thus have the financial system intact. The govt dosent have to bail out the so called great FI’s of the apple. TO is calm and not running, the way life should be.

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  50. I have never visited TOronto, but was thinking of attempting to get a job before I go, because your country has much stricter rules on the extensions for U.S. visitors.
    One thing being a New Yorker all my life, you hate it and complain when you are there and then you miss everything about it when you are not.\
    I feel a lot like JOhn Steinbeck the novelist a californian who lived in NYC and Sag Harbor, NY. When you have lived in New York for a decent amount of time no place is good enough!

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  51. Toronto isn’t as exciting, but in terms of overall quality of life, it beats New York City, though that’s largely a result of their federal governments. Manhattan is too expensive for most Americans, for most New Yorkers, so they live in the boroughs, which though they have an edgy charm to them, are a bit scary and dangerous. There’s pockets of safeness within the borughs, like Park Slope Brooklyn or the parts of Brooklyn closest to the bridges, but the rent in those areas is also beyond what most Americans can afford. These are areas the well-to-do professionals and celebrities live. The super rich own a lot of the decent properties in Manhattan.

    So, if you’re young and adventurous, what appears like a situation where all the odds are stacked against you but the chance for something great to happen if you just try really, really hard, may be more appealing than a place that is safer, cleaner, but which offers less of a reward if you make it big.

    When you become an adult and realize the vast majority of people will never have that chance no matter how hard they try, that those who make it big are often connected or have financial support you don’t, and you’ll just be stuck in NYC working your ass off living in dangerous areas on a road to nowhere indefinitely, then safe, clean places with a larger middle class, more affordable living, and universal health care, like Toronto, start to look far more appealing.

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  52. Really this sounds like a whole bunch of New Yorkers ganging together to further inflate your already over sized ego. Reminds me a lot of that self absorbed country US. I’ve lived in Toronto for 20 years now and absolutely love it. Compared to New York, it is FAR cleaner, has LESS crime rates, WAY more ethnic diversity, BETTER education, and MUCH friendlier people. Not to mention the Canadian governments security. Canadians have been enjoying a safe yet exciting city while Americans refused to sign the global environmental movement Kyoto Protocol.

    Toronto has been home to numerous big names in the entertainment industry (Jim Carrey, Russel Peters, Mike Myers, Pamela Anderson just to name a few). There’s a reason Canadians are far more respected world-wide in comparison to the US and the primary reason being they do not feel the need to flaunt their successes but instead aid developing countries with open arms.

    In all the years Canada fought the US’s war, they have received as little recognition as possible from Americans. The egotistic, ignorant mindset of theirs is unimaginable and though I reckon there are reasonable, thoughtful, and intelligent American folk, judging by the comments here and what I’ve seen in the US upon visitation, majority and pure idiots.

    Bless Canada. Toronto is everyone’s home, all are welcome.

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  53. Really this sounds like a whole bunch of New Yorkers ganging together to further inflate your already over sized ego. Reminds me a lot of that self absorbed country US. I’ve lived in Toronto for 20 years now and absolutely love it. Compared to New York, it is FAR cleaner, has LESS crime rates, WAY more ethnic diversity, BETTER education, and MUCH friendlier people. Not to mention the Canadian governments security. Canadians have been enjoying a safe yet exciting city while on the other hand, Americans refused to sign the global environmental movement Kyoto Protocol.

    Toronto has been home to numerous big names in the entertainment industry (Jim Carrey, Russel Peters, Mike Myers, Pamela Anderson just to name a few). There’s a reason Canadians are far more respected world-wide in comparison to the US and the primary reason being they do not feel the need to flaunt their successes but instead aid developing countries with open arms.

    In all the years Canada fought the US’s war, they have received as little recognition as possible from Americans. The egotistic, ignorant mindset of theirs is unimaginable and though I reckon there are reasonable, thoughtful, and intelligent American folk, judging by the comments here and what I’ve seen in the US upon visitation, majority and pure idiots.

    Bless Canada. Toronto is everyone’s home, all are welcome.

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  54. Wow!!
    As a canadian living in NYC. Lord have mercy on me.. To even compare the two is horribly disgusting. Toronto is way better than NYC.. Your right we end our night early ever thought why?! The Canadian Gov’t think about their people unlike the American Gov’t who think about their Money, they want to keep their people safe, New Yórkers Leave the club all 6 in the morning drunk and ready to start a fight, your crime rate is horribly HIGH!! Hundreds Dead over what really?? NYC is disgusting The Subway is nasty, to find a good resturtant in NYC is Hard. I moved from making 22 dollars and hour and living in a 2 bedroom for 820 in toronto, to making 9 dollars and living in a ROOM for 600 plus light and gas. Who ever wrote this is bias and clearly hasn’t experience Toronto, I know a lot of New Yorkers who say they would rather come live in Toronto than a “shithole” like NYC.. NYC Subway, omg everyday someone is getting Robbed, or something is wrong they doing construction worst time ever.. Yeah we close our subways late late night, so people can be safe and construction can happen without having to shut down subway lines unline NYC… Every Where you go someone has attitude but to even compare NYC and Toronto not even close, NEw Yorkers are Rude, don’t matter if they step on your toe its your fault, in toronto we apologize even when we know its not our fault, A lot of people don’t realize toronto is special, I love Toronto.. One thing I like about New York is I met my soon to be husband here on the Staten Island Ferry Only thing..

    P.S to the ediots who wrote this don’t quit your “JOB”

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  55. I live in Toronto and agree that this city sucks. That being said, I’ve been to NYC and don’t like it much either. You’ll laugh but I think the prime locale of this world is Western NY… Beautiful scenery, low taxes, great friendly people. I think this place is SO distinct from the rest of NY yet NYC folk all call it “upstate”. I think WNY should separate and become its own state. What a great place, I WILL move there in my lifetime.

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  56. Toronto is without a doubt the worst place I’m ever been. It is the most boring, the most unfriendly, the most cliquish, the most difficult to meet women, the coldest, the most pretentious, and the most anti-social.

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  57. Wow, who would have thunk it that this topic would get some people riled up so.

    A lot of posters have hit the nail square on the head. These are completely different cities that shouldn’t even be compared. At 2.5 million, the population of Toronto is more than three times smaller than NY’s 8 million.

    The density of Toronto is also about two and a half times smaller.

    The murder rate? About 2 per 100k people per year in Toronto and 6 in NYC. So, make that three times greater in NYC.

    The scales are completely different for all these stats.

    NYC is a world class city. Toronto? It’s an awesome place to live and work, but by no means does it have the scale of NYC. I am a long time Toronto resident, and I readily admit that NYC is “better” in some ways. Fashion and art, for instance, are much more developed in NYC.

    I also completely agree with the point of view that these are not only different cities but also cities from different countries. This affects things on many levels, ranging from crime to healthcare.

    Please, people, don’t get so worked up over this. I found the Bloor Viaduct comment hilarious. Sad, but true. :)

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  58. Toronto is not the same as new york, we are cleaner, safer and much more mixed (black, indian, chinese, white etc)

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  59. This was not a fair comparison of Toronto and New York. You’re comparing two cities in two different countries with two different cultures with two very different governments.

    If anything this blog post was a big fat insult to Canada as a country while praising the United States.

    I felt quite insulted as a Canadian with your arrogance to be honest.

    For instance, of course New York City would be bigger and different and have different ways of doing things, its in the United States, a democratic republic with 350 million people. And naturally it would have a bigger pool of talent, with 350 million to choose from, it might seem “better.”

    Compare to Toronto, it would be naturally smaller and less impressive considering there’s only 35 million people in Canada, what do you expect, put 1/3rd of Canada’s population in Toronto so they can make it bigger and better?! and its a democratic parliamentary constitutional monarchy.

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  60. Great comparison of TO and NYC by 2 sharks who sound like they have never been to either. XD

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  61. THe thing New York has over Toronto is the pace and the turnover. Things change in New York and time is the great equalizer. That’s why everyone in NYC is generally respectful to emerging talent and encourages creative turnover, because they understand that more is more. Toronto suffers from being half-self loathing, and this self-loathing has created a horribly stuffy and self important ( meaning provincial) hierchy of cultural taste-makers who stick around for decades and make any sort of fruitful turnover and cross fertilization impossible. New Yorkers are self confident and energetic enough to know that encouraging the next generation is the best way to spread the cultural wealth.Torontotonians cling to their meagre successe like vultures and insecurely choke out anyone who’s beneath them. It’s changing, but that’s the main thing that sucks about being here. Mild stagnation, insecure self importance, and a lingering provincialism.

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  62. New Yorkers are actually relatively friendly, despite their reputation for being rude.

    Torontonians are SUPER UNFRIENDLY and EXTREMELY RUDE, despite the reputation of Canadians as being polite.

    I have lived in both places for years, and I can say with complete honesty that the folks in Toronto has got to be the most PRETENTIOUS and ARROGANT and RUDE bunch of assholes ever on this planet.

    The level of PASSIVE AGGRESSIVENESS in Toronto is unrivalled anywhere in Canada.

    Don’t believe me, just go visit Toronto for yourself. You will see what I mean.

    Go ahead, hop on a TTC streetcar and feel the literal ASSAULT of rudeness.

    Or go walk around in downtown Toronto — you feel like you want to puked at the level of arrogance and passive aggressiveness.

    Toronto is a sick place.

    But the odd thing is that most folks in Toronto thinks they are so cool and polite and well-liked.

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  63. I grew up in Toronto. I don’t even recognize my city anymore. It has become like a very badly constructed fake version of NYC. New Yorkers are rude, New York is crowded and yes every rumour about New York is true. But it’s an original city. That’s how NYC has always been, that’s how New Yorkers are will be.

    What the hell is the deal with Toronto?! What’s going on? I don’t even recognize downtown anymore. Wal-Mart, Marshalls, Targets poppong up everywhere when Canadian chains like Zellers is going out of business. There’s a Five Guys and a Bed, Bath & Beyond near Yonge/Dundas and College Park. People’s attitudes ave hit the roof as well. Where is the friendliness, the smiles, the politeness we are so often teased about? I hate living here now…I really loved this city of mine. I still do because it’s the only home I know, but I’ve also beginning to hate it a lot. I left my birth country when I was 12 and been there only once, so I’m like a stranger there. Toronto is all I know….or rather..knew. I am so glad I’m not the only one who sees these things or feels this way. And the amount of shopping addiction is INSANE. We’ve also started Black Friday Sales.

    New York City is New York City. It’s one of my most fav. cities and I really do respect the hardworking people there. I’m losing my love and respect for Toronto and its people. I wish I could move somewhere less superficial and absurd!!!

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  64. I was born and raised in Toronto (YEAH T.DOT) and have lived there for the past 28 years. I’m 33 now living in Hong Kong (moved here 5 years ago) and was I glad I left! How everyone says the people in Toronto are unfriendly, arrogant, naive, slow… well, this is true, but only because the rude arrogant people are from other countries and are not the ‘true’ Canadians… not intending to make any racist remarks but the city is full of minorities who all have their own cultures, making what was once a great city now a tossed salad of crap. I’m talking about the Indians, Middle Easterns, Europeans, Italians, Greeks, Chinese, Koreans, Asians, etc… They are all culturally different living within the same environment which only results to one thing, chaos.

    As for New Yorker’s and their pride and dignity, seriously, you guys are full of sh!t yourselves. Too much pride because you’re “American” and living the dream. No offense and sorry for mentioning but why is your country always getting attacked? is it because you’re sticking your noses where it don’t belong? Anyways, I just wanted to point out that New York isn’t all that great either. The Italians there don’t even speak Italian, the Chinese food is made for the ‘gwai lo’, you guys are only nicer now then before because of what happened in 2001.

    Each city has their own positive/negative aspects but seriously, if you guys can get out of the little ‘bubble’ your minds are in and explore around the world, you might realize that not everything revolves around North America and that there are so many bigger, better and successful cities outside.

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  65. […] to draw comparisons with other big city festivals. While the comparisons between TO and NY are pretty tenuous [big TV screens in Dundas street does not a Times Square make], the Grove Festival’s “stuff” […]

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  66. Yep…. never been to New York. But been to many other places including San Francisco. Yep… Toronto was a nice place but it is a rubbish bin now. A lot of people migrate to this place. Bad people stays here in Toronto. Good people got discriminated and forced to leave this place (Why…? no job for the talent people here in Toronto) Who say Toronto is a multicultural city? It never was, Toronto only favorite lazy unproductive people. Toronto only multicultural for other kind of people?

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  67. TORONTO people are zombies and soulless. Their superficial superiority shows how insecure and self loathing they are. They lack originality, authenticity and depth of character. They are boring and shallow.

    I agree with TOronto having a better standard of living and not being as stressful but that’s it. As 3rd generation NYer who lived in all boroughs,I miss NYC’s vibrant energy, and unique people.
    TO is ZOmbie land.

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  68. Go Leafs go you fat American pricks, in Toronto our media picks on our mayor, a crack user but not bad guy. in New York your media tells people that everyone else is the enemy. Your neighbors, your in-laws the fat slob serving you poison at a hotdog stand but all hail the government that has the reserve currency for the rest of the world (fuck gold right?) the government that has, will and always defend lose ends by somehow melting them off the map more brutally than the last time, the new age Romans with an empire that never sees sunset. The government that made the 14th amendment, the rights for freed slaves, applicable to Corporations, making mass murder and pollution ‘OK’ basically taking slavery from cotton fields to on the other side of the world. Go ahead and fuck everything up because it’s cheaper to pay the fine than create an alternative. You idiots voted George Bush, George fucking Bush to run a country, the man had shoes thrown at him for crying out loud. I can’t recall any mass murder of Canadian population by it’s government, water being sold as beer or any fucking gold medals on your hockey players necks this year eh? Dolphins rule you fucking nurse sharks

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  69. Toronto not bad there both fun NYC they just both have some diffrent thing like NYC has more skyscrapers and Toronto has the CN Tower both fun go and visit ive been to NYC its ok da food ok but Tornto not bad so visit then [ Dun be so mean }

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  70. OK I get that all of you have some things you don’t like about Toronto and NYC. I’ve have also been to NYC and it’s nice with the tall buildings and Times Square but Toronto also has some skyscrapers and the CN Tower. So don’t be so rude before you get to know stuff like people say people in Toronto not nice well New York has weird people too { Not to be mean or anything }. I’m not in New York or Toronto but I live in a city beside Toronto.

    Toronto and NYC both fun but just honestly NYC is nice and fun to explore but for me Toronto is more fair in a way so visit each other cities and see what you like about them. Just don’t be penalizing each other so have fun in both cities and Downtown Toronto looks like NYC.{ Betta food maybe }

    TORONTO!
    { or NY }

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  71. OK I get that all of you have some things you don’t like about Toronto and NYC. Toronto more unique I’ve have also been to NYC and it’s nice with the tall buildings and Times Square but Toronto also has some skyscrapers and the CN Tower. So don’t be so rude before you get to know stuff like people say people in Toronto not nice well New York has weird people too { Not to be mean or anything }. I’m not in New York or Toronto but I live in a city beside Toronto.

    Toronto and NYC both fun but just honestly NYC is nice and fun to explore but for me Toronto is more fair in a way so visit each other cities and see what you like about them. Just don’t be penalizing each other so have fun in both cities and Downtown Toronto looks like NYC.{ Betta food maybe }

    TORONTO!
    { or NY }

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  72. OK I get that all of you have some things you don’t like about Toronto and NYC. Toronto more unique I’ve have also been to NYC and it’s nice with the tall buildings and Times Square but Toronto also has some skyscrapers and the CN Tower. So don’t be so rude before you get to know stuff like people say people in Toronto not nice well New York has weird people too { Not to be mean or anything }. I’m not in New York or Toronto but I live in a city beside Toronto.

    Toronto and NYC both fun but just honestly NYC is nice and fun to explore but for me Toronto is more fair in a way so visit each other cities and see what you like about them. Just don’t be penalizing each other so have fun in both cities and Downtown Toronto looks like NYC.{ Betta food maybe }

    TORONTO!
    { or NY }

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  73. I think – all of you need to get a life and stop hiding behind the internet with your stupid little arguments. Jesus, Just reading half these comments redminds me of the sound of a hundred birds chirping over a worm. The worst part is, half of these comments were so ridiculous that I COULDN’T look away.
    Anyway.

    Wow. Just stop.

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  74. Lived in Toronto for 13 years… Was happy as anything getting outta there… Don’t miss the small town attitude, or the anti-Americanism…

    Only time I go back is to visit family… But tend to get visitors from T.O…. Gimme 20 degree celsius winter highs over minus 10 ANY time…

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