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September 11, 2009 | lists
“How big a lunatic do you have to be to witness two jet airliners filled with jet fuel slam into buildings on live TV, triggering a massive inferno that burned for two hours and then think ‘Well, if you believe that’s the cause…’” Bill Maher
We all know roughly what happened eight years ago today; it was one of those “Where were you moments” like when Kennedy was assassinated, or when a rosy-cheeked Geraldo Rivera took to the air for the first time.
But do we really know? 9/11 conspiracy theorists – truthers, the Colbert-ish name they go by – say absolutely not. Like the people who reckon they faked the moon landing, only often without the tinfoil chapeau and indulged to a far greater degree, 9/11 conspiracy theorists will tell you that the events of September 11 as we have come to understand them –four commercial planes were hijacked by religious nutcases and crashed into World Trade Center buildings one and two and the Pentagon with the fourth going aground in Pennsylvania – did not actually occur, or at least that the official version of those events is deliberately misleading.
The most common 9/11 conspiracy theories suggest that the attacks were an “inside job”, that the collapse of the World Trade Center and World Trade Center 7 was brought about by a controlled demolition, and that a commercial airplane did not strike the Pentagon, but rather it was hit by a missile or fighter aircraft. Bush, Cheney, and company were said to have been running around without pants and with their ties loosened hooting in delight at the thought of all the good warring they could now get done.
Other conspiracy theories are of the more rubber room variety: i.e. the “no planers” who suggest that no commercial aircraft could penetrate the steel of the Trade Center towers and that missiles surrounded by holograms were used in a trick that would likely force Criss Angel into a jealous retirement (and not a moment too soon). Then there are those of an anti-Semitic mindset who think it was a Jewish conspiracy, believing – based on completely false information – that 4,000 Jewish people didn’t show up to work at WTC that day because they were somehow tipped off, maybe in a newsletter.
Most 9/11 conspiracy theories have been debunked to the point where there is hardly any bunk left to take out. (Click here and here for two of the best). Even Noam Chomsky, who could find a fascist plot afoot in Dora the Explorer, had this to say on 9/11 conspiracy theories:
I think the Bush administration would have had to be utterly insane to try anything like what is alleged, for their own narrow interests, and do not think that serious evidence has been provided to support claims about actions that would not only be outlandish, for their own interests, but that have no remote historical parallel.
And Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone offers the following concise review of a popular online documentary that is a favorite of 9/11 conspiracy theorists:
“Every time one of those Loose Change dickwads opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes.”
The world we live in – where Bono is asked to do more at a G-8 summit than stay away from it – is one where celebrities have the power to propagate half-baked conspiracy theories, and fans, waylaid by the combined assault of celebrity-dom and the internet on common sense, lap it up. Celebrities may not have an ever-loving clue about the temperature at which steel loses its structural integrity, but their fame will somehow give them the green light to publicly disagree with a professional association of engineers and reckon out loud, “Nah, they just could not have fallen that way. The physics just don’t add up.”
We started this blog with a quote by Bill Maher, undoubtedly a celebrity, but after watching the excellent Religulous, we put him in the camp of comedians with more to offer than jokes about misplaced socks like George Carlin, or Lenny Bruce before he went insane. Organizers at public events that these 10 celebrities are attending may want to be near a plug so they can pull it once they get on the topic of 9/11 — or at least have some air freshener on hand to help mask the heady bouquet of bullshit in the air.
Here then are The Top 10 9/11 Celebrity Conspiracy Theory Nutjobs!
10) Spencer and Heidi Pratt: (Excerpts from an appearance on the radio show of Alex Jones , himself a conspiracy theorist and the man behind “The Obama Deception” ): “We’ve been nonstop researching the Internet … for information for at least a month all day every day,” said Heidi. Spencer added: “From your [Jones'] research, it [9/11] 100 percent is [an inside job] … “I want to throw up.”
.. Don’t we all. In England, most people would agree that these two are a pair of pratts before hearing the surname. Spencer and Heidi, best known for their turn on the self-indulgent rich kid zoo called The Hills, prove the danger of giving a broadband internet connection to people with basic literacy skills and the inability to think critically. Their “non-stop” research on the internet combined with Jones’ conspiracy video led them not only to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, but the toe-headed pair were also clued into the fact that a secret plot to install chips in people is fulfilling biblical prophecy — Heidi: “My body belongs to Jesus Christ. I am a disciple of Jesus, and I will speak out to Christians … this chip is the end of humanity.” — and, continuing on in that vein of the oxygen-deprived religious nutcase, that birth control pills are actually just turds from Satan’s rabbit — “most women are suicidal sometimes on it.”
Crazy conspiracy theorist right up there with those getting signals from the mothership via the beer fridge? Not so, says Heidi. “Conspiracy is a word they’ve created to make people sound crazy, but that’s not what God says,” she says. “You can persecute us, you can say whatever you want. ” And, unfortunately, the same holds true for these two.
9) Woody Harrelson: “I am reading a book now called The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin. I’ve been stuck in the position of ignoring my gut — knowing things don’t stack up. Even though our government obviously took advantage of 9/11 by making it their “Reichstag”, I told myself, “Surely they weren’t involved”. After reading this book I can’t doubt that our government was at least complicit in allowing 9/11 to happen.”
Woody Harrelson has gone from wiping down the bar at Cheers to serving as the poster boy for every sort of liberal/hippy cause imaginable, including good ones like legalizing marijuana. Woody has the rare and odd distinction of being not only the propagator of a popular conspiracy theory, but the son of a subject of a major one. His father, Charles Harrelson, was widely thought by conspiracy theorists to have been one of the “Three Tramps” seen in a box car behind Dealey Plaza after JFK was assassinated. The elder Harrelson first denied then boasted about his role in JFK’s murder, though — like the claims of a government turning against its own people on 9/11 — no solid supporting evidence was ever found to place him in Dallas that day.
8) Mos Def: “I don’t believe it was bin Laden today. I don’t believe it was never him … I’m sorry, I’m from the projects, I know danger. I don’t feel no danger from that shit… Highly-educated people in all areas of science have spoken on the fishiness around the whole 9/11 theory.”
This quote by Mos Def — who undeniably turned in the best performance ever by an American hip-hop star in a British science-fiction comedy film — must have at least partially inspired the quote at the top of this blog. Mos Def made this statement amid a litany of craziness that included him stating that the moon landing was faked on an episode of Real Time With Bill Maher.
7) Willie Nelson: “I saw one fall, and it was just so symmetrical, I said wait a minute. I just saw that last week at the casino in Las Vegas, and you see these implosions all the time. And the next one fell, and I said, hell, there’s another one – and they’re trying to tell me that an airplane did it, and I can’t go along with that… “What does it take for us to realize we’re having the wool pulled over our eyes one more time?”
Willie Nelson is one of the greatest country music songwriters of all time, a man who did his best to get out of paying taxes for as long as possible, and the face of fun old guy pot smoking… It is hard to find a cooler person than Willie Nelson. But his 9/11 conspiracy theory, predicated as it is on his having seen a building being blown up in Vegas, is like that idea for a novel you scribble down while higher than an eagle with a rocket up its ass – it seems brilliant while one’s burning, but is best binned and forgotten by the time you get off the couch.
6) Tom DeLonge (Blink 182 singer): “We do know that the buildings came down in a fashion extremely similar to a controlled demolition of a building – we do know that expertise that is needed to fly those gigantic planes into that exact location could never have been achieved by someone that just learned how to fly a small plane.”
For those who ‘blinked’ and missed Blink 182’s one hit song, they were part of the skate punk movement, the founders of which are now in their mid-30s and probably wear all sorts of padding to stave off injury in the event of a fall. DeLonge takes Willie’s controlled demolition theory a step further, by saying — with the certainty only someone who knows exactly nothing about what he’s talking about can muster — that the 9/11 hijackers would not have been skilled enough as pilots to stage the attacks. Salon.com in an Ask The Pilot article addressing 9/11 questions, quoted someone who did fly planes for living as saying:”…Striking the Pentagon, or navigating along the Hudson River to Manhattan on a cloudless morning, with the sole intention of steering head-on into a building, did not require a mastery of airmanship.”
DeLonge went for the low-hanging fruit by playing on everybody who isn’t peculiar’s dislike for Dick Cheney when he said the the then-vice president “knew that the planes [were] coming in and he capped the order to leave it alone so it could hit.”
Blink 182 times if you believe:
a) a conspiracy this big could ever have come off without someone spilling the beans and providing definitive proof of said beans and b) that the tongues of everyone who knew anything about said conspiracy would still be capable of wagging and not be, say, out of their heads.
5) Marion Cotillard: “We see other towers of the same kind being hit by planes. Are they burned? There was a tower, I believe it was in Spain, which burnt for 24 hours. It never collapsed. None of these towers collapsed. And there [in NY], in a few minutes, the whole thing collapsed.”
It pains us to cast aspersions on a hot French actress who undoubtedly sounded very sexy while saying these crazy things, but, in addition to the above, Marion Cotillard — Oscar winner, 2008 –offered what is likely THE craziest reason anyone has come up with to explain why the US blew up the towers: it was to avoid all that pesky upkeep! “It was a money sucker because they were finished, it seems to me, by 1973, and to re-cable all that, to bring up-to-date all the technology and everything, it was a lot more expensive, that work, than destroying them.”
(Trade Center official getting an estimate on renovations prior to 9/11): “How much? And the re-cabling? You sure you didn’t add just add an extra zero there? What are you guys, union? Screw that noise. Let’s blow it up.”
We reckon even the no planers would be saying, “What the hell is she going on about?” at this point.
4) Jesse Ventura: “How could those buildings fall at the speed of gravity – if you put a stopwatch on them both of those World Trade Center buildings were on the ground in ten seconds – how can that be? Never before in the annals of history has a fire caused a steel structure building to fall to the ground like these two did.”
Jesse Ventura used to dress up in a feather boa and tights and stage pre-determined wrestling matches, but the suspension of disbelief required during his wrestling days pales compared to that needed to buy his 9/11 theories. Ventura, in Alex Jones’ video, is said to have ‘moved to Mexico to escape fascism’ (and in this picture looks like Sean Connery in Zardoz).
3) Rosie O’Donnell: “It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved — World Trade Center 7. World Trade 1 and 2 got hit by planes. 7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.
Rosie O’Donnell is a one woman argument for upgrading basic cable and was a former host of The View, the TV equivalent of an induced coma. O’Donnell, no stranger to having a outsize gob and sticking her foot in it (it’s actually large enough to accommodate both of Shaquille O’Neal’s size 23s), took Jesse the Body’s contention one step with her claim that fire had never melted steel prior to 9/11. As Jonah Goldberg of the National Review wrote: “This, of course, came as news to steelworkers, blacksmiths, firefighters, manufacturers of samurai swords, and other fools who hadn’t realized that steel is forged in magic furnaces using dragon breath and pixie dust.”
2) Janeane Garofalo: “9/11 was an inside job!! I have come to this conclusion about that. … I think all Air America phone-in callers should open by saying, ‘9/11 was an inside job. We can all agree on that.’, then get on with their specific question or comment. We should re-condition the listening audience to accept the Truth about 9/11 as the gospel.”
Janeane Garofalo is the world’s third most famous hairy, squat, Sicilian American after Rachael Ray and Danny De Vito, but neither as unintentionally or intentionally funny, respectively, as either (actually, De Vito was unexpectedly funny on a show nobody associates with humor of any kind whatsoever, The View). First Rosie, now Janeane, when did all the wisecracking supporting actresses in early 90s comedies turn into such vocal moon-howlers?
1) Charlie Sheen: “It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75 percent of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions.”
Charlie Sheen, star of Two and a Half Men (and one quarter wit), is the bull goose loony of the celebrity truther movement. In better days, Charlie Sheen made headlines the honest way: he earned them by being one of the most debauched individuals in Hollywood, no small feat. These days, when he’s not exchanging bon mots with the husky kid from Fraser, Sheen works overtime in his role as celebrity spokesman for the truther movement. In a bizarre, and from a mental health standpoint, troubling, move, Sheen wrote a script of a fictional conversation between himself and Barack Obama, which, along with his 9/11 walk in wonderland also included the even fiction — that Obama likes and watches Two and a Half Men. He also compiled a video message to Obama. The video concerns the alleged cover up involving real estate mogul Larry Silverstein’s infamous ‘pull it’ remark, which, if you are living proof that gray matter consists mostly of fatty tissue, you construe as an order to demolish building 7 (because naturally as a multi billionaire you’d be motivated to collect on the world’s largest ever ‘insure-and-burn’ and then ruin everything by accidentally blurting out your clandestine plan on national TV).
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Don’t worry kids! All this article has done is made the truth movement more recognizable in the mainstream.
Thanks for doing your part Shark Guys! Don’t worry, one day you’ll figure it out.
Oh look, another clichéd journalistic hit-piece!
Sigh, lets give the authors of this childish rubbish the benefit of the doubt…perhaps they are just a little slowwwww.
I guess there will always be those people that are the last to find out when the milkman is doing their wife..
You should add the “Jersey Girls” to the list. The four widows of 9/11 who read every article they could after losing their husbands and realized how much misinformation was going on, stories changing, or the stories not making sense, etc. What lunatics. They banded together and demanded answers. And all the New Yorkers who want a new investigation. Nut jobs. I mean, they were there but what do they know? I just listen to official reports. I don’t find it odd that NORAD didn’t respond for those two hours before the planes hit (or missed) their targets. I don’t find it odd that the plane in Pennsylvania and the plane at the Pentagon were never recovered. Not even substantial debris that would make it identifiable. I don’t think that it is odd that WTC 7 collapsed despite not even being hit by a plane. You know what else? I will completely ignore all the buildings that have burned for days (not a dying fire like the WTC) and didn’t even come close to falling down. I mean, that Jet fuel is wondrous stuff!!!
I’ll just listen to official reports, not do any of my own research, and laugh at anyone else that has the balls to say something.
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Seriously, people like me aren’t wearing tinfoil hats thinking its 1984. We actually do our OWN research. It is about truth, not conspiracy.
And nobody takes loose change seriously. Are you retarded?
Were you just one of the people that was fooled by loose change, found out it was all bullshit, and got bitter? yeah.
This is a lot of ad homenim. Sure some of the theorists are crazy, but this should not detract from the more legitimate questions. There really are questions that have remained unanswered, and the 9/11 commission was stonewalled from answering them.
If you believe any of this crap, then you are truly retarded. The Pratt’s? Rosie? Woddy? Wow, isn’t it amazing how all these conspiracy theorists were left wing, anti-Bush prior to the 9/11 attacks. Why would they have reason to lie? pfff, gimmie a break.
You are some pompously certain bastards. Your unfaltering, blind certainty on the matter, when you don’t really know jack shit for sure, just goes to show your level of reasoning (or lack thereof). To say that any of these theories are definitely true is just as absurd as to say that they are not.
Ya’ll are a gaggle of retards, a bunch of cackling fools, and if someday it comes out that Jeanine Garofolo is right (unlikely as it may be), I hope you finally feel like the dumbasses you are.
No offense.
….there are some real obama lovin idiots out there…
Truthers are proof that it’s possible to be a fully-functional moron in today’s society (many of these people actually hold down good jobs while being utter flakes). Forget the official story, the 9/11 commission’s reports, or any other source with a potential conflict of interest (in the mind of complete nut-jobs). Just read Popular Mechanics or Purdue University’s breakdown of the facts (not to mention the half-dozen documentaries that gather all the facts produced by legitimate groups and compare them to the Truther nitwits) and it’s utterly impossible to believe any of the douchebags trying to sell their “I’m smarter than you” conspiracy crap.
Oh yeah, the funniest part of your article was Matt Taibbi calling someone else a dickwad. Seriously, that’s like Pam Anderson calling another woman a slut.
I liked the article. Good work.
To Michael, who has done his OWN research and has come to the conclusion that not even substantial debris that would make United Airlines Flight 93 identifiable, I’d like to see your OWN PRIMARY SOURCES that counter what I’ve heard, that the remains of all passengers on board, as well as the flight recorder box (which makes it extremely identifiable) were recovered?
Get a grip, conspiracy theorists, you’re wrong. There’s a reason the ten most famous celebrities who agree with you are generally considered idiots and it’s not only because they believe 9/11 was an inside job.
J.J.
You asked for my evidence and said it contradicted what you have “heard”. Well, obviously. That is the whole problem, isn’t it?
I will just link some videos for you.
1.Firefighters describing the collapse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXD3bAbZCow
2.Pennsylvania crash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99rcYiG_Syw
3.Dr. Steve Jones’ thermite theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTa_XL_k8fY
4.Bush makes a mistake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZBmfRBv-Go
5.WTC 7 (shows a controlled demo next to it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0
6.One of the aforementioned “Jersey Girls” (discusses NORAD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rukxI_GLc3w
And people that question the official story
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
I don’t claim to know what happened that day, and the idea of such a conspiracy being possible is so monstrous as to make me shudder; however, in reading your article I can’t help but notice that the entire thing is one ad-hominem attack after another, while not citing any actual evidence or counter-evidence, as it were, just “they’re crazy, good thing i’m smarter than them, tee hee”…not quite sure what you hope to accomplish with this piece, but convincing it is not. That is all.
Take a look at Charlie Shhen’s video for Barack Obama below:
http://www.infowars.com/charlie-sheen-issues-challenge-to-critics-on-alex-jones-show/
We all know 911 was an iside job! It’s as obvious as the nose on your face!
Al Qaeda is a close as your Government Rep in the USA!
Much of the administration that was in George Bush’s Government is the same administration as is working in Obama’s Government! The new Government is looking like the old Government!
Demand a thorough investigation! Don’t leave a singke stone unturned! Use the best honest engineers and lawmen and scientests in the world!
What Charlie has here are profound questions that have never been answered clearly enough for public understanding and approval of investigation!
How do you go from “I have unanswered questions about 9/11″ to “Thousands of people in the government participated in a massive cover up”?
It’s like hearing a noise in your house late at night and assuming it’s a ghost or seeing a light in the sky and knowing for certain that it’s an alien spacecraft, then refusing to accept any other possible explanation for the phenomenon. The burden of proof is on YOU to show us that it’s a ghost/spaceship, not us.
BTW, global warming is real, the moon landing wasn’t faked, there are no spaceships at Area 51, no black helicopters, no FEMA death camps, the Holocaust really happened, and there is no such thing as the Illuminati.
The Average 9/11 Truther is either a sad, paranoid person who believes that all the ills in life can be attributed to some shadowy government conspiracy or they’re a pseudo-intellectual who refuses to respect the experience and authority of experts and instead substitutes their own theories and opinions in place of critical thought.
Then there’s the UNCOMMON Truthers who have somehow used this nonsense to spin a profit. Alex Jones once claimed he spends a million dollars a year getting his message out, a statement which makes you wonder A) Where he’s getting the money and B)How much of that “million” he ISN’T spending. There are 9/11 Truthers who actually make money off this odious nonsense. People who exploit a national tragedy and the paranoia of fools turn two pennies into ten dimes.
It’s sad, it’s pathetic, and when you actually ask these dirtbags where they get their money or who funds them or how that money is used…guess what they do? They play the “I need to protect the brave men and women who are standing up to the evil NWO/Men in Black/Illuminati/Grays/Lizard People/{insert paranoid fantasy here}! I would never divulge my sources and you’re one of “them” for asking”.
As for most of the celebrities on this list: They’re either going for shock value, easily influenced by poison spewing fools (I’m looking at you Alex Jones), or heavily medicated by illegal narcotics. You have to understand that the average Hollywood celebrity never graduated college, barely graduated high school, and rarely if ever reads a real book from a mainstream publisher. These people are stupid, often professional so, and if they took a moment to pull their heads out of their rich, pampered asses, they’d realize how stupid this all sounds.
1. This video claims explosive were used at 3:08… dude the building was falling for like 3 seconds before the puffs of smoke were jettisoned. It’s obviously from the pressure created by the pancaking floors and not dynamite.
God you conspiracy theorists are so fucking stupid. How do you fuck-asses survive to make it through the end of each day?
All your “PROOF” is just theories, guesses, questions, and frantic eye-witness reports… none of which are reliable.
[...] You can read the rest of the origins of the truthers here. Or the top 10 Celebrity truther nutjobs. [...]
Michael,
I asked for primary sources and you give me a series of Youtube videos… what a joke.
To quote you: “You asked for my evidence and said it contradicted what you have “heard”. Well, obviously. That is the whole problem, isn’t it?”
Yes, it is the whole problem. It’s a problem because I admit that the conclusions I’ve made are from what I’ve “heard” (AKA secondary sources). Seems to me that you’re basing your conclusions on the same sources I am, except you’re standing on the pedestal saying that I’m swallowing what some bigwigs want me to believe while you’ve dug deeper than my feeble mind has either bothered or been capable of. You’ve shown no evidence so far that you’ve done any of your OWN research.
I’ll only answer the video of the Pennsylvania crash because frankly, I won’t be bothered to individually refute all of them. The fact is that the most damning evidence from those LIVE REPORTS which happened very near to the time of tragedy is that there’s no debris in the crater. Fact of the matter is that craters are not a good place for collecting debris after an explosion, especially a very large explosion. This video is only evidence of hearing only what you want to hear and then ignoring everything from that point forward. Debris from the crash that identified the plane and its occupants was found later by people who were specifically looking for the debris. To claim that nothing that could have identified that flight was ever found is a flat out lie and the video you posted does nothing to support it.
wow. did you even watch the videos? I don’t think you did.
“I’d like to see your OWN PRIMARY SOURCES that counter what I’ve heard, that the remains of all passengers on board, as well as the flight recorder box (which makes it extremely identifiable) were recovered?”
There were no bodies. So, you heard wrong, yes?
And the last link is not a video. You should read through it.
Just tell me, when in history has a plane crashed into the ground and been obliterated into nothingness? You really don’t find it odd that they didn’t recover a plane there or at the Pentagon? Of course, they would find some piece later that would help them identify the plane and the people on board. That is the whole point in a cover up. But you have to think, they sure did solve the whole case rather quickly for not having much to go on. I mean not a single plane was recovered in any of the wreckage of any of the sites.
And I don’t know…maybe you did watch the videos. Did you see the part on the Italian report where they said the 9/11 commission report never even mentions WTC 7? The building that fell having not even been hit by a plane. Not a very thorough investigation.
The reason I sent you a bunch of videos was for a couple of reasons. Initial reactions of the firemen: they hear explosions in the building and say it is like a controlled demo.
There is also the point of the steel still being on fire for weeks after the attacks. Jet fuel burns once and only once. I don’t care how hot you think it gets, that just shouldn’t happen. Dr. Jones goes over this in detail.
Bush lying…it is interesting. I’m sure you know exactly where you were that morning and what you were doing. How does the President get his story wrong?
Look, this is what it comes down to. Truthers are people that have looked at the evidence and are simply saying that it doesn’t add up. And that there should be a new and complete investigation. No one thinks you have a feeble brain. I was in your position for a very long time. The whole idea of this being a cover up is a monstrous thought.
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
I’m not an expert on airline crashes, but I do know that not many things on Earth are built to withstand crashing into something at more than 300 miles per hour and then burning. They did recover enough remains to identify everybody aboard flight 93. Perhaps I’m reading too much into what you’re saying, but it sounds like you’re looking for nearly complete corpses and large chunks of fuselage? Without those pieces, are you saying that the debris that was recovered was placed there or doesn’t exist at all?
Firemen are no more qualified to recognize a controlled demolition than you or I. They heard very loud noises and likened it to something they could recognize, that’s what people do. Of course, a steel structure weighing in the thousands of tons is going to make very loud noises when it fails. The fact that they were interviewed as a group weakens the point further, as group testimony is known to be even spottier.
As for Dr. Jones’ theory, it’s too strong a word to even call it a theory. He’s not an expert on civil engineering or forensics of any type. While he may be a physics professor and very knowledgeable about how thermite works, the civil engineering professor at BYU, the same university he called home disagrees with his hypothesis. The fact is that it seems as though he’s going through side channels for peer review to try to get a beneficial outcome. He lacks the approval of a bevy of respected sources whose backing would help his argument tremendously.
http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm
look for the coroner’s statement. He said there were no bodies and not even a drop of blood.
I did a quick Google search of this and I turned up things like this (from the Loose Change site)
According to a Washington Post story, about 1500 human remains were recovered from Flight 93’s crash site. The coroner only spent 20 minutes at the crash site, before the site was excavated for bodies, so it’s not surprising that he didn’t see blood.
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/flight93.html
As I said earlier, there were no bodies recovered because they were blown apart and burned.
from the AP:
Coroner Wallace Miller has held the site as a coroner’s death scene since Sept. 11, 2001,
when the hijacked plane crashed into an abandoned strip mine in Somerset County, killing 40 passengers and crew.
Miller and a group of more than two dozen volunteers this week made a final sweep of the property, looking for debris. The group found airplane debris near a section of downed evergreens and a small amount of human remains…
http://911review.org/Wiki/Flight93Somerset.shtml
Once again, are you saying that the remains were planted there or are you still only relying on quotes that came out within hours of the tragedy?
I’m not sure what you’re expecting them to have found there… complete corpses?
keep thinking.
My dear Truthers:
Let’s say that George Bush and/or the Illuminati did this. Thousands of people must have been involved.
How come not one of them came forward or mysteriously disappeared?
And if the gov’t’s capable of such barbarity for seemingly “no reason” why haven’t you fled or gone to a commune.
And WHY ON EARTH are you writing on a public site where your IP can be tracked! If they can carry out the intricacies of 9/11 almost flawlessly, they’re probably on your doorstep right around now.
So let me get this straight… if you dont agree one hundred percent with the government on how 9/11 happened you are a nutjob… honestly you guys seem like the nutjobs to be so 100 percent sure!
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/24-japan-questions-9-11-and-the-global-war-on-terror/
even the Japanese aren’t so sure!
I never said that people who doubt the 9/11 commission’s findings are nutjobs, I’m saying these 10 celebrities are nutjobs.
What does “keep thinking” mean, Michael? You haven’t answered my questions. you’ve completely ignored my numerous postings stating that human remains were found. It seems like all of your evidence to the contrary regarding flight 93 is taken from within hours or days from the actual event and ignores everything from that point forward.
I’ll ask one last time. Are you saying those remains were planted as a cover up or are you denying that the remains that are part of documented fact never existed? If you’re claiming they’re part of a cover up, I once again ask you for what in your OWN research corroborates such a claim?
keep thinking just meant…try to add it up. I don’t think you can.
http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/crash-comparisons.html
here is what a crash site should look like. There are parts of the plane in each crash and the craters are much bigger.
on the same site, you can read through eyewitness testimony. Do I think the body parts were planted? well an entire plane just disintegrates after crashing into the ground. yet there are still body parts? I don’t know. It just doesn’t go with the official story in my opinion. but I can’t go making claims that they planted the body parts there. Perhaps the plane was shot down? I don’t know. Nobody saw it happen. I’m sure you’ve seen the pictures, though. And the FBI claimed it recovered 95% of the plane wreckage. I never saw anything bigger than that engine. I guess the whole thing went into the ground.
This is all that matters…the investigation was never complete. WTC 7 is missing from the 9/11 commission report. So, we don’t know everything that really happened and there is no way to argue with that. I am just glad that Japan is willing to explore the possibility of a cover up.
by the way, the “i don’t think you can” comment just meant i don’t think its possible. not that you’re incapable.
Michael – flight 93 crashed into a reclaimed strip mine. The soil was very loosely compacted, so the plane was essentially buried. Do your own research and stop watching YouTube videos: they addle your brain.
yes, supposedly 80% of the plane went into the ground. Where was the other 20% and why don’t we ever see the plane in the excavation photos if 95% of the plane was recovered?
but you seriously believe the plane went into the ground? lol okay.
Michael,
Thanks for clearing up that “I don’t think you can comment”, admittedly I did read it the wrong way at first.
I’ve intentionally stayed away from the WTC 7 argument because I don’t have any answers for it. I admit that it does resemble a controlled demolition and that I have insufficient reasoning for why the building fell in the first place, but lack sufficient evidence one way or another to make a conclusion. I agree that the 9/11 commission is riddled with problems. I stop short of believing that it’s a U.S. Government conspiracy to enhance a warmongering agenda.
As for Flight 93, I believe the soft earth of the reclaimed mining area has a lot to do with the fact that much is not visible from eyewitness testimony or what photos came out recent to the crash. The flight comparison site you posted has a lot of seemingly damning data, but not one instance of a crash that closely resembles the conditions of the ground. If the plane had been shot down in midair, there would have been large pieces of debris found that would closely resemble the lockerbie explosion. I’m not sure they would have been able to cover that up.
The bottom line for me is that the inconsistencies in the WTC 7 collapse are not sufficient enough to make me believe in a large conspiracy. The flight 93 and flight 77 alternate theories are only supported by shaky negative evidence (evidence that something that should be there is not equals evidence of something else entirely). I don’t believe the controlled demolition theory of WTC 1 and 2, finding insufficient evidence to support that theory.
I would support a new commission that answers some lingering questions, but I do not view a failure to do so thus far an indication that there is anything sinister at work.
fair enough!
Half of the people heaping ridicule know perfectly well what,s up. Speaking out and expressing skepticism about nine eleven isn,t a savvy career move …
Anyway, more videos for the battle weary:
Bill Cooper calls it (June 2001):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U
Peter Dale Scott:
http://blip.tv/file/1284196
Long qualification re Bill Cooper:
William Cooper wasn’t perfect, but who of us is? Sure there’s a lot of noise in his signal, but I think a reasonably educated person w/ the cognitive software to do so can parse his message here: in the coming weeks there’s going to be a major attack which the powers that be will blame on Osama bin Laden: DON’T BELIEVE IT!
To me it’s absolutely uncontroversial how prophetic he’s being — remember this was in June of 2001 … I’d say, in general, if you’re going to allow your prejudices to override your capacity to think critically/lucidly about things, then that’s your choice … an unfortunate one, but yours nonetheless. Better to be aware of and own your prerogative, lest it derail your life at an inopportune moment.
And I don’t know about you, but this meme about Islamofascist terrorism I find absolutely mind-numbing… thanks to 9/11 the military industrial project to keep it at bay keeps getting funded and funded and funded and funded — w/ the expected horrific consequences. I feel like I’m living on the nihilist outer fringe of a
There were no commercial planes on 9-11. The entire never ending global US war on terror is based entirely on a murderous fraud to borrow trillions and kill millions. Just like the WMD’s in Iraq…it was a fraud to borrow trillions and kill millions.
There were no commercial planes on 9-11.
After i realized that some so called conspiracy theory’s had the weight of evidence on their side i wondered why some people would ridicule people for their beliefs in such an aggressive way. I soon can to the conclusion that these people were afraid of what they stood to lose if they believed that the government would tell such big lies to them. They would no longer have someone to hold their hand through every decision making process and tell them what was true or false. The thought of that was too daunting for some and that is why they don’t want to see what the facts are. The words “who can we trust” ring loud in these individuals heads but ultimately they decide that they will continue to believe the mass media and the government. This gives them comfort and a feeling of security. For these reasons it is impossible to argue points of fact with them because they have already made up their minds not to risk their delicate minds. Anger results if you try.
Oh by the way my mind is still open on the moon landing all i need is another nation to go to the moon and bring back the American flag. That shouldn’t be too hard since 1969 technology wouldn’t be greater that today’s SURELY!! lol
fairly simple
1. no recordings of bombs on any tape or seismic record.
2. truthers claims can’t scientific peer review.(nanothermite paper was submitted to a journal who ignores it)
3. physical evidence, DNA, and eye witness of the planes at all 4 sites.
4. none of the buildings collapsed like a CD.
-all were outside of their own footprint & caused damage to the surrounding buildings.
- both towers had debris preceding collapse. 1 had a collapse initiate at a 20 degree angle.
- 7’s collapse lasted 18 secs, far beyond free fall. (before commenting see the seismic data & start from the initial collapse of the penthouse)
- again no recording of explosions.
for some reason truthers aren’t fans of occam’s razor.
Check out this pdf analysis for the Impossible WTC Twin Towers Collapses with Vector Forces Physics and Math to clearly explain why the media and government are “in your dumb face” lying about the plane and fire induced collapse falsehoods.
You will need to understand some elementary physics and Vector Math to understand the Impossible Collapses, otherwise you can never understand the Impossible Collapses from a purely quantitative Physics and Math point of view.
Chuck Boldwyn
cboldwyn@bellsouth.net for more information
http://twilightpines.com/911Boldwynn.pdf
My god, truthers make me reconsider my thoughts on euthanasia. I know if I had a dog half as crazy as any of the truthers commenting above, I’d put it down.
wow…what clever writing.
What a sharp tongue. Is this the reincarnation of Rush Limbaud,
or Bill O’Rieley? Aboslutely astonishing..!…really..and without
conscience or facts or anything that would not slap a thinking man in the face.
you know what..
This is great food for Sheepele but I think real human beings would starve for lack of substance.
Have you heard the latest? There was no earthquake in Haiti. Weather records prove there was no activity except in one area.
It was all planned by the Obama Administration. They planted bombs at 100’s of sites to cause what would appear to be an earthquake. Based on the way the homes fell, it is obvious that the damage was not caused by an earthquake. Why did they do this? To declare millions of illegal Hatians in the US “legal” because they can’t go back home. (that’s a lot of new Obama voters). Reason #2 Rebuild Haiti. They are poor and they need help, so what if we had to kill 100,000 or so. That my friends makes just as much sense as the 911 Truthers! Some idiot will probably read this and believe this about Haiti.
what is your game mate you pick out a couple of celebs and drag them through the gutter who are you. you look like a fnj winking at the top of the page.but who knows. aparently the theory of relativity not to mentions newtons law of gravity suddenly becomes aparent because you have the ability to take the piss out of people who will never do anything about your shit bagging. but if they did you would be so starstruck you would piss your pants . i hope this shit site gets you the mainstream job you want so dearly. you think your in touch with popular opinion but your not.answer these people with science employ an engineer or scientist or shut up. a lot of people died you offend me greatly.